Healing Tao USA Medical and Spiritual Qigong (Chi Kung) Logo
Healing Tao USA
  • 501 c3 non-profit 

  • All purchases tax deductible
  • Home
    • Primordial Tai Chi for Enlightened Love
    • Our Mission
  • Workshops
    • Current Teaching Schedule
    • Become a Certified Instructor
  • Products
    • Guide to Best Buy Packages
      • Qigong (Chi Kung) Fundamentals 1 & 2
      • Qigong (Chi Kung) Fundamentals 3 & 4
      • Fusion of the Five Elements 1, 2, & 3: Emotional & Psychic Alchemy
      • Inner Sexual Alchemy
    • Best Buy Packages Download
    • Video Downloads
    • Audio Downloads
    • DVDs
    • Audio CD Home Study Courses
    • eBooks & Print Books
    • Super Qi Foods & Elixirs
    • Sexual Qigong & Jade Eggs
    • Medical Qigong
    • Chinese Astrology
    • Other Cool Tao Products
      • Tao T-Shirts
      • Joyce Gayheart
        CD’s and Elixirs
      • Qi Weightlifting Equipment
  • Summer Retreats
  • Articles / Blog
    • Loving Tao of Now
      (Michael’s blog)
    • 9 Stages of Alchemy
    • Tao Articles
    • Newsletter Archive
  • FAQ / Forum
    • FAQ
    • Forum Online Discussion
    • Loving Tao of Now
      (Michael’s blog)
  • Winn Bio
    • Short Bio
    • Michael Winn: The Long Story
    • Tao logo: Musical Cosmology
  • China Trip
    • China Dream Trip
    • Photos: Past China Trips
  • Contact
    • Office Manager – Buy Products
    • Summer Retreats – Register
    • Find Instructor Near You
    • Links
  • Cart

Who Wrote the Bible & Why It Matters: Truth vs. Lies

Home › Forum Online Discussion › Philosophy › Who Wrote the Bible & Why It Matters: Truth vs. Lies

  • This topic has 2 replies, 3 voices, and was last updated 14 years, 4 months ago by c_howdy.
Viewing 3 posts - 1 through 3 (of 3 total)
  • Author
    Posts
  • April 1, 2011 at 9:46 am #37116

    Michael Winn

    note: this issue is particularly interesting because the practice of pretending to be a great master in China and writing under his name is SO common, that it’s accepted as a way to get your teachings accepted by a wider audience. But does the initial lie, of author’s name,corrupt the rest of the text? – Michael

    WHO WROTE THE BIBLE AND WHY IT MATTERS
    By Bart D. Ehrman
    Huffington Post
    March 25, 2011

    http://nhne-pulse.org/who-wrote-the-bible-why-it-matters/

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bart-d-ehrman/the-bible-telling-lies-to_b_8403
    01.html

    Apart from the most rabid fundamentalists among us, nearly everyone admits
    that the Bible might contain errors — a faulty creation story here, a
    historical mistake there, a contradiction or two in some other place. But is
    it possible that the problem is worse than that — that the Bible actually
    contains lies?

    Most people wouldn’t put it that way, since the Bible is, after all, sacred
    Scripture for millions on our planet. But good Christian scholars of the
    Bible, including the top Protestant and Catholic scholars of America, will
    tell you that the Bible is full of lies, even if they refuse to use the
    term. And here is the truth: Many of the books of the New Testament were
    written by people who lied about their identity, claiming to be a famous
    apostle — Peter, Paul or James — knowing full well they were someone else.
    In modern parlance, that is a lie, and a book written by someone who lies
    about his identity is a forgery.

    Most modern scholars of the Bible shy away from these terms, and for
    understandable reasons, some having to do with their clientele. Teaching in
    Christian seminaries, or to largely Christian undergraduate populations, who
    wants to denigrate the cherished texts of Scripture by calling them
    forgeries built on lies? And so scholars use a different term for this
    phenomenon and call such books “pseudepigrapha.”

    You will find this antiseptic term throughout the writings of modern
    scholars of the Bible. It’s the term used in university classes on the New
    Testament, and in seminary courses, and in Ph.D. seminars. What the people
    who use the term do not tell you is that it literally means “writing that is
    inscribed with a lie.”

    And that’s what such writings are. Whoever wrote the New Testament book of 2
    Peter claimed to be Peter. But scholars everywhere — except for our friends
    among the fundamentalists — will tell you that there is no way on God’s
    green earth that Peter wrote the book. Someone else wrote it claiming to be
    Peter. Scholars may also tell you that it was an acceptable practice in the
    ancient world for someone to write a book in the name of someone else. But
    that is where they are wrong. If you look at what ancient people actually
    said about the practice, you’ll see that they invariably called it lying and
    condemned it as a deceitful practice, even in Christian circles. 2 Peter was
    finally accepted into the New Testament because the church fathers,
    centuries later, were convinced that Peter wrote it. But he didn’t. Someone
    else did. And that someone else lied about his identity.

    The same is true of many of the letters allegedly written by Paul. Most
    scholars will tell you that whereas seven of the 13 letters that go under
    Paul’s name are his, the other six are not. Their authors merely claimed to
    be Paul. In the ancient world, books like that were labeled as pseudoi —
    lies.

    This may all seem like a bit of antiquarian curiosity, especially for people
    whose lives don’t depend on the Bible or even people of faith for whom
    biblical matters are a peripheral interest at best. But in fact, it matters
    sometimes. Whoever wrote the book of 1 Timothy claimed to be Paul. But he
    was lying about that — he was someone else living after Paul had died. In
    his book, the author of 1 Timothy used Paul’s name and authority to address
    a problem that he saw in the church. Women were speaking out, exercising
    authority and teaching men. That had to stop. The author told women to be
    silent and submissive, and reminded his readers about what happened the
    first time a woman was allowed to exercise authority over a man, in that
    little incident in the garden of Eden. No, the author argued, if women
    wanted to be saved, they were to have babies (1 Tim. 2:11-15).

    Largely on the basis of this passage, the apostle Paul has been branded, by
    more liberation minded people of recent generations, as one of history’s
    great misogynists. The problem, of course, is that Paul never said any such
    thing. And why does it matter? Because the passage is still used by church
    leaders today to oppress and silence women. Why are there no women priests
    in the Catholic Church? Why are women not allowed to preach in conservative
    evangelical churches? Why are there churches today that do not allow women
    even to speak? In no small measure it is because Paul allegedly taught that
    women had to be silent, submissive and pregnant. Except that the person who
    taught this was not Paul, but someone lying about his identity so that his
    readers would think he was Paul.

    It may be one of the greatest ironies of the Christian scriptures that some
    of them insist on truth, while telling a lie. For no author is truth more
    important than for the “Paul” of Ephesians. He refers to the gospel as “the
    word of truth” (1:13); he indicates that the “truth is in Jesus”; he tells
    his readers to “speak the truth” to their neighbors (4:24-25); and he
    instructs his readers to “fasten the belt of truth around your waist”
    (6:14). And yet he himself lied about who he was. He was not really Paul.

    It appears that some of the New Testament writers, such as the authors of 2
    Peter, 1 Timothy and Ephesians, felt they were perfectly justified to lie in
    order to tell the truth. But we today can at least evaluate their claims and
    realize just how human, and fallible, they were. They were creatures of
    their time and place. And so too were their teachings, lies and all.

    ……………….

    Bart D. Ehrman is the James A. Gray Distinguished Professor of Religious
    Studies at the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, and the New York
    Times bestselling author of’Misquoting Jesus’ and ‘Jesus, Interrupted’. His
    latest book, ‘Forged: Writing in the Name of God — Why the Bible’s Authors
    Are Not Who We Think They Are’, is now available from HarperOne.

    April 6, 2011 at 5:08 pm #37117

    ribosome777

    King James—> God Walked in the Garden
    Torah–> YaHovian/Th’Uban/YaHova Alohim walked in Garden

    King James—> You are called Gods unto whom the Scriptures came
    Torah—> You are called Alohim unto whom the Scriptures came

    King James—> Why do you call me a blasphemer for saying I am the Son of God when you yourselves are called Gods and the Law cannot be broken?
    Torah—> Why do you call me a blasphemer for saying I am B’Nai Alohim {Son(s) of God) when you yourselves are called Alohim, and the Law cannot be broken?

    June 4, 2011 at 10:21 am #37119

    c_howdy
  • Author
    Posts

You must be logged in to reply to this topic.

Signup for FREE eBook – $20 value

Inner Smile free eBook with Signup to Newsletter

Way of the Inner Smile
130 page eBook

+ Qi Flows Naturally news

+ Loving the Tao of Now blog

Enter Email Only - Privacy Protected

Forum Login

Log In
Register Lost Password

Qigong Benefits – Michael Winn

Michael Winn Qi Products:

Best Buy Packages
  1. Qigong Fundamentals 1 & 2
  2. Qigong Fundamentals 3 & 4
  3. Fusion of Five Elements 1, 2, 3
  4. Sexual Energy Cultivation
  5. Primordial Tai Chi / Primordial Qigong
  6. Inner Sexual Alchemy Kan & Li
  7. Sun-Moon Alchemy Kan & Li
  8. Inner Smile Gift
Individual Products
  1. Qigong Fundamentals 1
  2. Qigong Fundamentals 2
  3. Qigong Fundamentals 3
  4. Qigong Fundamentals 4
  5. Fusion of Five Elements 1
  6. Fusion of Five Elements 2 & 3
  7. Sexual Energy Cultivation
  8. Tao Dream Practice
  9. Primordial Tai Chi / Primordial Qigong
  10. Deep Healing Qigong
  11. Internal Alchemy (Kan & Li Series)

100% RISK FREE 1-Year Guarantee

Michael Winn, President, Healing Tao USA Michael Winn, President, Healing Tao USA

Michael Winn, Pres.
Healing Tao USA

Use Michael Winn's Qi Gong products for one whole year — I guarantee you'll be 100% delighted and satisfied with the great Qi results. Return my product in good condition for immediate refund.

Guarantee Details

Your Natural Path is Our Mission

OUR PROMISE: Every Michael Winn Qi gong & meditation product will empower you to be more relaxed, smiling, joyful, and flowing in harmony with the Life Force.

yin-yang

Each Qigong video, book, or audio course will assist your authentic Self to fulfill worldly needs and relations; feel the profound sexual pleasure of being a radiant, healthy body; express your unique virtues; complete your soul destiny; realize peace – experience eternal life flowing in this human body Now.

© 2025 Healing Tao USA · design by dragonbutterfly design · built by mojomonger